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Skippy77
Weanling
USA
69 Posts |
 Posted - 03/24/2008 : 5:38:16 PM
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Poll Question:
There's a barn near me that will be opening up their small barn for boarders, and I'm often getting asked to recommend boarding facilities and would like to be able to recommend this facility. I spoke to the owner and they're offering boarding for a limited amount of people, and it would include turn out and feeding in the mornings, but the boarders are on their own to provide hay, shavings, feed, farrier, blankets, vet items, and any turn out/feeding in the evenings. I'm wondering what people think is a reasonable price to pay for this type of board.
Its a beautiful facility, the boarding barn is a new 10 stall barn, with a gate attached to the barn that leads directly into a 120x250 outdoor arena. There's a wash stall in the middle of the barn with hot and cold water, a place for hay storage, a large tack room, and an area where shavings get trucked in and dumped. This also includes about 10 acres of pasture for boarders attached directly to the barn, and access to many miles of riding trails.
There is a AC/heated lounge area attached to the main barn with male and female restrooms that the boarders are free to use, as well as a wooden round pen, a hot walker, and a 60x100 covered arena. Both arenas are lighted for evening riding.
So how much would you pay to board at this facility with what they offer?
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Edited by - Skippy77 on 03/24/2008 5:39:16 PM
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chaos theory
Green Broke
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Posted - 03/24/2008 : 5:49:55 PM
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What area of the state is the barn in?
Are you saying that the boarder provides everything (hay, feed, shavings...) and also would have to feed/turnout every evening? Do you also clean your own stall?
I wouldn't pay above $100 to $125 for a place like this. Too much work for the average horse owner that wants to board their horse. |
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Oz
Green Broke
743 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 5:54:56 PM
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| The hay and shavings would definitely add up...but this type of partial self-care facility might work really well for some folks. If they clean their own stalls, I'd probably have to drop down to the lowest category. Hmm...if I'm paying for my own shavings I might want to clean my own stall anyway (people tend to waste alot). |
Edited by - Oz on 03/24/2008 5:55:28 PM |
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PonyShopper
Green Broke
USA
734 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 6:23:26 PM
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I said $100 - $200 because I think that some people DO board because they want to do it themselves, they just don't have the land for it, etc.
But there are he others who board because they NEED someone to take care of these things for them (feeding, haying, turnout, etc.) on a daily basis.
The maximum I'd EVER pay would be $200... sounds like a really GREAT facility, but agreeing with chaos, it's too much work for the people who can't do everything on a day to day schedule. |
Horses are afraid of two things:
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ilovemyarabianhorse
Weanling
USA
182 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 7:34:13 PM
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| I was at a facility similar to this when I first got my horse. It was not quite as labor intensive, but the driving time eventually added up for me and I moved my horse to a full care facility. The facility itself sounds like it is really nice, so I voted $201-$250. |
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Skippy77
Weanling
USA
69 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 7:44:13 PM
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| I forgot to add that they provide stall cleaning in the A.M. only, combined with the AM turning out and feeding. |
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quartrhoss
Bombproof!
USA
1402 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 10:50:49 PM
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| This usually doesn't work well. What if I buy crappy hay or not enough hay and my horse is dominant? That is just one of many problems that arise. Your friends may want to figure out how they will deal with stuff like this. |
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Oz
Green Broke
743 Posts |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 11:13:43 PM
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| I would assume that the horses would be fed in their stalls in this type of situation, not the turnout? Or perhaps they are turned out individually? |
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PiaffePlease
Out to Pasture
2795 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 12:04:51 AM
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| This sounds like a really nice place. Its kinda werid that its a partial board kinda place. Most places that have 2 arenas (one covered!) a nice round pen, good pasture, etc is a full board place. Id say that Id pay $300 a month or so if this barn is located near a big city. barns more outside the city tend to be cheaper. |
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sunnybojack
Bombproof!
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Posted - 03/25/2008 : 06:45:44 AM
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| I feel $200 is a very fair price for the work the BO would be doing and for what the facility offers and I voted for that but I'm almost thinking $250 might be even more fair--it certainly has all the amenities necessary and the BO needs to be compensated fairly for the AM feeding, mucking, turning out... I'm sure lots of people would like this situation--not having to try to make it to the barn before work in the morning but being able to get there once the day is done. |
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in2horses
Out to Pasture
 
13918 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 11:58:02 AM
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I would value that at possibly $175-$200 (on the nice side of it). ONLY because the barn owner is mucking. But still, I'm unsure. That's a lot of money and work to come out once a day to feed and turn in your horse, AND provide hay, shavings/bedding and feed.
I personally would never choose this option though I'm sure some would. It does sound like a nice facility but it would have to literally be in my backyard for me to choose this type of boarding. |
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piaffe
Weanling
USA
128 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 3:25:33 PM
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Unless their board is at least $400 this will be a disaster waiting to happen.
Insurance 1500 +yr 100 per horse
taxes 2000? yr
field maint
mowing $600 per year
grass reseeding $320 pr acre 3200 per year
fertilizer 40 pr acre 400
lime 40 pr acre 400
$4000 per year
fence maint 15% of total per year $$$
building maint 10% of total cost per year $500
20 year amortized cost of barn and this sounds fancy $5000
ring maint for 10 horse X2 $1000
equipment maint $1000
manure removal $1200 per year unless they plan on destroying the 10 acres with it
Utilites HVAC and lights $1200per year
And this doesn't include anything for the owners time to do all of this stuff and I'm guessing they don't want to do it for free.
This is $17300 already, so divide this by the number of horses they will board and I'm guessing that will probably be eight. So bare minimum charge will be $250 per horse. Add to this hay, grain, bedding, and supplies that the boarder must get (and have a vehicle that can get this stuff), supply, and store. So add another $400 to the tab. Coupled with all the sqabbling that will go with "someone stole my (hay), (grain), (supplements), (bedding). Along with their will be almost non-existant pasture with 10 horses on 10 acres no matter what they charge this won't be a bargain. I'm not saying that your friend won't enjoy being there, but it just won't be a bargain.
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Steph A
Out to Pasture
USA
8067 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 4:50:11 PM
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Originally posted by quartrhoss
This usually doesn't work well. What if I buy crappy hay or not enough hay and my horse is dominant? That is just one of many problems that arise. Your friends may want to figure out how they will deal with stuff like this.
Agree.
I personally wouldn't board at a facility like this. My concern is someone doesn't care to provide hay/grain/shavings like needed--and then the horse suffers and I have to watch it.
I'm very particular--and if I had a boarding barn again--it would be full board or nothing. I *may* let them supply their own feed, with the stipulation that if they ran out one time--that deal was void.
I just like to know they are all being treated fairly--and this is risky IMO. |
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srodaway
Bombproof!
USA
1612 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 7:46:07 PM
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| It sounds like a great place, and the boarders could possibly team up to cover the evening duties. I'm thinking 150 for the stall and facilities use, 100 for the indoor arena, 60 for labor = 310 |
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onelaneroad
Out to Pasture
3321 Posts |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 9:04:21 PM
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If you had a good group of boarders willing to help each other out, and everyone had pretty much the same standards for basic care, then I imagine it could work out very nicely. But the chances of you finding 10 people who are all going to be friendly and helpful toward each other AND who all have the same standards of care and aren't going to meddle/give unwanted advice etc. to other boarders ... well ... yeah. I don't see that happening.
I wouldn't pay that much for a facility like that simply because to me it's worth the extra $200-$300/month NOT to have to be there every darn day to feed, turn out/bring in, blanket, muck, etc. Most days I probably could, but there will be some days I simply cannot get out there due to work and other commitments.
Now if this place was next door and/or on the way to/from work, that would be different, but still ... I would not be inclined to pay more than $150-$200/mo for this, especially if I have to provide EVERYTHING. I don't want to pay a premium to buy 5 bales of hay at a time or 5 bags of shavings. Most boarders aren't going to have anywhere to store bulk hay or shavings either, so that'd be a PITA. The barn probably won't have room for everyone to store his/her own hay and bedding, and at any rate they probably wouldn't want to be responsible for making sure people use only their stuff and no one else's.
I can see how the barn owners may be trying to limit their responsibilities, but I think they may be in for more hassle than they're expecting ... the thing with full board and even pasture board, where the BO is providing all the basics (feed, hay, bedding) and services (mucking, turn out/bring in, blanketing) is that the BOs can then make the rules based on whatever they deem best/easiest/most convenient. If a boarder isn't happy with those basics, services and rules, she has the right to either not board there or leave.
I'm not sure I'd run a barn like that ... seems like the potential for drama and hassle is really high. But then, if you find the right people, it could be really great. |
Sometimes you can't please everyone ... sometimes you can't please anyone at all. |
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walknuk
Yearling
Canada
487 Posts |
Posted - 03/26/2008 : 11:44:39 AM
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The selling point is the attractiveness of the facilties. They sound exceptional - or parts of them do: the 'frills' are nice.
The down side is that it is a 'co-op' setup, and as has been pointed out, that can get pretty complicated fast.
I know how much it costs me on average to keep a horse per month (feed, bedding, vet and farrier) and the time required. I would not pay more than $200/month for stall rent plus minimal service/labour, even as nice as the facility sounds. At $200, my costs would be in the range of $450-500/month all inclusive (maybe more with the added travel). That is my upper limit, and the time factor would be a killer. |
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Margie
Out to Pasture
USA
2761 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2009 : 10:41:04 AM
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Sorry to be negative, but it won't work. Not over time..If they are committed to providing the animals consistent quality feed and care, to keeping peace among the horses, and to having horses that they can be proud of, quality care must come first. People mean well, but are erratic. Things happen..money, family or business troubles, etc.
The best way to achieve well-cared for horses and a sound budget is to not be dependent on volunteers or amateurs. Good luck. |
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blonde_jumper
Bombproof!
USA
1501 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2009 : 11:17:38 AM
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I wonder if they would think about hiring a barn manager and then have full care board. It would probly work out better in the long run and then they wouldn't have to worry about it.
I agree with others that this could be a very good opportunity if there were good boarders who were willing to help each other out, but they are bound to end up with someone who brings their horse and then doesnt get them everything they need and the horse will suffer. |
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julz
Weanling
102 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2009 : 11:46:03 AM
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| Location, location, location...it all depends on where this place is. |
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grimesklynn
Green Broke
800 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2009 : 12:29:34 PM
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| I currently do partial care board at a facility maybe 5 miles from downtown Raleigh. I basically rent a paddock, stall, tack/feed storage room with 2 of my friends. The barn has a lit riding ring and wash stall with hot and cold water. The barn manager will feed/turn out/water our horses in the morning (we provide shavings, grain, and hay) and we feed and clean our stalls in the evening. My friends and I take turn buying round bales from the same person for our paddock. We pay $150 a month. After having some bad experiences with poor care at other boarding barns in the area, I really enjoy being in complete control of my horse's care. This farm is only a few miles from my house so it's easy for me to swing by on my way home from work, plus - since I share a pasture with friends - we can take turns feeding each other's horses when needed. |
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OutlawsLastDance
Out to Pasture
USA
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Posted - 03/06/2009 : 11:14:05 PM
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I used to board Tari at a co-op. It was a wonderful setup as far as, my taking care of her because that's what I want to do. I would love to have my horses at my house, I just don't have the land (yet.)
There were two downfalls to that facility. The lady that owned it was crazy and had completely UNrealistic rules (I COULD NOT trailer my horse from the farm because she had no where for me to turn my trailer around and I could not use the 'yard area') and on the nights that I spent with my boyfriend I would have to get up and go feed. From my house it was a 5 minute drive. But from his, its 30.
Anyway. I feel kind of jipped that I could have paid the same amount and had the 'frills' in a place like you describe. I wouldn't have had to trailer out from the farm if there was a riding ring. Well, I would, but not as often.
I say, I would love for a place like this to succeed because I would love to be able to board there. |
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starandstormy
Yearling
USA
404 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2009 : 05:14:02 AM
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| I wouldn't pay no more than 200. |
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annespot
Yearling
USA
499 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2009 : 8:50:02 PM
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| I agree location makes a huge difference. If it is out in the middle of nowhere then there may be a lot places that offer full board at very reasonalbe prices, 200-300 or even less in some parts of rural norht Carolina , and while they may not be as fancy they often have a lighted ring and the same basic amenities. On the other hand around here in Raleigh to get full board at a place with a lighted ring you will pay at least $400.00 and even more a lot of places. So, we have to know the area and what types of facilities they are competing with to know what would be a good value. Everyone who has given a price they would pay, that is what they would pay in their area, so really it is comparing apples and oranges. |
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CValliere
Out to Pasture
USA
4581 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2009 : 1:53:24 PM
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| Partial board down here in Florida runs about the same a grimes does. Its the same set up and scenario. This is a good deal for the stable owner as there is virtually no overhead for them. All the money they get from board goes to them and back into the stable. Its also good for me as I like feeding and taking care of my own horse. I also get hands on every day with him and can also look him over for injuries, etc. This method really works for me. Of course full board would work better for someone who travels a lot or someone who really doesn't have the time to go to the stable every day. There are good things to be said for both types of boarding. |
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Ali_Hamann
Yearling
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2009 : 3:28:17 PM
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| I personally would love a facility like this, especially if I had several horses. It appears they are offering mainly self care, but they will take care of the morning stuff for you which isnt bad. The facility sounds like its very nice too. Self care board is usually around $125-$150 around here, but most places dont have fabulous facilities, and you are responsible for EVERYTHING. I would expect to pay no more than $200 for a place like this. |
Ali Hamann
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Jenn2674
Bombproof!
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Posted - 03/09/2009 : 7:49:54 PM
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| There are quite a few coops here in Waxhaw that seem to do quite well. And there is at least one in the Waxhaw/Marvin area that charges $300/month and they provide nothing nor do any labor whatsoever. I think they do provide roundbales in the winter. They have no trouble, or at least they didn't, filling it either. Their facilities are extremely nice but nothing like what you are describing. The location is key and is the reason why the above place I mentioned can get that price. |
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kellyb
Green Broke
USA
926 Posts |
Posted - 03/13/2009 : 11:09:56 AM
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| I wouldn't pay more than $150 or so. It seems like a huge hassle. My biggest concern would be...where am I going to store MY shavings and MY hay, and what reassurance do I have that other people aren't going to be trying to use them? |
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How much would you pay for this type of board?
